How to get rid of spider mites on your medical marijuana
went to the hydroponics store in jackson.
asked about spider mites.
he said the same thing as stated in previous posts..........
keep your pets away from your grow room
if you are bringing in fresh air from the outside, make sure you have a good inline filter.
he also reccomended using "AZATROL" to rid your plants of the mites.
also, make sure your grow room is free from loose dirt and dried leaves.
A little info:
AZATROL..............
An azadirachtin insecticide formulated to provide broad spectrum insect control with very low environmental impact.
Azatrol provides all the benefits of azadirachtin, a proven natural anti-feedant, insect growth regulator, anti-ovipository and repellent, as well as a toxin to soft bodied insect larvae. The benefits to your insect control program are multiple.
Anti-feedant: Insects will feed less or not at all on treated plant tissue. Foliage is not damaged and insects ultimately starve to death.
IGR: Insects will fail to mature and reproduce, eliminating populations over time, or keeping populations at acceptable levels.
Anti-ovipository and Repellent: The likelihood of insect infestation is greatly decreased in treated plants. This also adds a preventive aspect to your control program.
An application of Azatrol does not provide the quick 'knock-down' of a contact poison. However, 21 days after treatment, insect control is comparable to the standards. The end result — insect population control — is obtained. If Azatrol is used as a preventive treatment throughout the season, prior to insect infestation, the goal of protecting plants, ornamental flowers and shrubs and trees will be accomplished.
the answers is: drum roll please . try azamax, if all else fails . malathia . used it love it . only last resort. use neem oil every 7- 10 days and usually knock on wood it prevents them(only during vegative cycle ). also rock bud soma a is the most resistant to spider mite fyi......
The following comes from a friend of mine at the MSU Botany Department regarding Spder Mites. This process has been used by at elast 10 people I gave it to, and it worked 100% for everyone! Bye-Bye Spider mites.
Three step cure. This is all as close to organic as you can get.
1. Get some Monterry Spray. Search the internet, you will find it. It contains "Spinosad" which is a product from a plant or tree. Totally organic. Read the label follow instructions. It worked for us after one application. I think this is around 20.00 per bottle. The bottle will last forever if used properly.
2. Get some "Mosquito Dunks" These are organic little donuts that you soak in your water. Use the water as you normally would for a couple of weeks. It will kill all eggs and larvae in the soil. This is totally safe and 100% organic also. Search internet they are there. About $10.00 for 6.
3. Get some sticky traps or tangle trap. Put them in your plant pots. This will catch everything the Monnterry and dunks don't. I always use these when I start a new plant pot. They also catch any soil gnats that may hatch at the same time.
Try this folks if you have a problem. I know that it works. Let us know how you make out if you try it. I will also post comments on prevention at a later time. An oz. of prevention is better than a lb. of cure.
Mike D.- TopMiCaregiver
einstein oil is the best shit that i know about.use it in conjunction with sm-90.alternate every time.use agri-2 wetting agent with both.both are organic.fuk pesticides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spider mites: |
Spider mites are by far the worst pest to have, because they are the
hardest to kill and can literally kill any plant. They are by far more
active in warmer climates than cold ones, they also suck sup from the
leaves leaving tiny white spots on the leaves from where they suck on.
The damage they do is just like thrips, but with spider mites they
pierce the surface of the leaves and can show tiny holes or white
speckling damage, unlike with thirps they eat the surface of the
chlorophyll. You can tell when you have infestation of spider mites ,
because you will have distorted growth, shortened internodes and
petioles.
When you have bad infestation you will see webbing with larva in them.
You get spider mites from either store bought soil mostly when your soil
is not sterilized. Most brands do not state weather or not they are,
chances are if you buy cheap soil, you have a less likely chance of the
soil being sterile.Also, bringing outdoor plants indoors, or getting
plants from someone else who was infected with spidermites.
Spider mites live on the plant itself and are under the leaves most of
the time and are usually are so tiny you can’t see them with the naked
eye. In order to get rid of spider mites one of the best ways to start
to get rid of them is to use NO-Pest strips.NO-Pest strips work well and
should always be used with other methods. Neem oil helps get rid of
them as well. Also by raising the humidity in your grow room a lot will
kill the spider mites off, by them absorbing to much humidity and will
burst. You can use soap solution like Safer Insecticidal Soap to get rid
of most aphid problems. Use some tobacco juice and chili pepper powder
added to this for mites. (see below how to make tabacco juice)
Pyrethrum should only be used in extreme circumstances directly on
plants, It starts to breaks down around a week and is easily washed away
with clear water or. If your plants are in flowering and you have
spider mites, using safer chemicals is your best bet. The tobacco and
pepper soap solution works well and should be used daily, spraying on
the underside and top leaves and later the whole plant. Since spider
mites are very residual to common products, you have to find or try any
number of ones untill you get rid of them. make absolutly sure you
retreat as stated, other wise you will get resistant spidermites and
then you have a bigger battle on your hands.Also do not allow pets that
go outside alot to be around indoor plants,mites have been known to be
carried in from pets to plants. PLEASE NOTE, below are ways to get rid
of spider mites, but no 2 mite infestations are identical, you almost
always have to use different products to get rid of them, also make a
habit to check for at least a whole month after thinking you got rid of
them, that way your chances of the spider mites that became resistant
breeding and then having a bigger problem. Make sure you spray your
plant down very good and enough and on time.
Here are some more products that may help get rid of spider mites:
Hot Pepper Wax,Safer Yard & Garden Insecticide (which can be used
right to the day of harvest),GNATROL( used in hydro in the water as well
as soil),Doc's Neem Pest Soap,Safer Sticky Stakes,TR-11000 Pyrethrum.
Anything that says dicofol on the back. ( should be used in vegging or
early flowering)
Avid
GNATROL( used in Hydroponics/Aeroponics in the water as well as soil)
Safer Sticky Stakes
TR-11000 Pyrethrum
Anything that says dicofol on the back. ( should be used in vegging or
early flowering)
PERMETHRIN dust
Organics
Organocide
Hot Pepper Wax,
Safer Yard & Garden Insecticide
Doc's Neem Pest Soap
Organocide
Bugzyme Natural Pest Killer
Schultz-Instant Insect Spray
Lady Beetles (Beneficial Insect)
Predatory mite (Beneficial Insect)
Pirate Bugs (Beneficial Insect)
Neem Oil
Neem 2
Tabacco Juice recipe
Take 3 strong ciggeretes soak them over night in water
Boil it for 2 to 3 miniutes, let it cool off and spray the plants 3 to 4
times a week. You can add safer soap if you like to the mixture.
(make absolutly sure you use gloves/face protection while handling and
spraying)
Neem oil works very well too!!
ZBQ has an excellent thread on how to use neem oil without geting your
plants to oily!! http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthr...hreadid=482648
:tup: Your Last resort is to use Avid.
Pictures 5 shows spider mites and there larva. Picture 6 shows spider mite damage. Picture 7 shows SPidermites larvae and spidermites closeup( Picture contibuted by sukalo)



Thrips
Thrips are really tiny, but can be seen by the naked eye. Some may have wings and some may not. Thrips reproduce rapidly, especially in tight places. That is what makes them hard to get rid of when using pesticides. The suck the sap right out of your plant with there piercing mouths, which makes the leaves look like they turned white. You can tell when you have thrips by taking a look at your leaves, the leaves will look as if there chlorophyll have been ripped right off the plant. Plants that are damaged can’t be healed thus making it harder for the plant to absorb light. SO if left untreated the thrips will kill the plants. Damage also can be seen by the greenish black specks of there poop they leave on leaves. Also the plants will show silver patchs from scar tissue. Depending on the severity at first, thrip damage might look like spider mite damage untill it increases in damage and then thrips case is for sure when you see the greenness replace with big parts of white.Thrips also can causes viruses to the plants and any larvae infected will breed more infected pests!. While they suck, the plants release honeydew which can contribute to mold on your plants. Adults have wings but do not fly well, but rather jump more. There are different kinds of Thrips, some more resistant to chemicals. Thrips can also carry plant pathogens in there mouths and carry it to other plants increasing the chance for your plants to get infected. . If your plants are affected during late flowering or close to harvest, please try to use the safest means of control to be safe to your health.
Control
One good way to repel thrips for those growing outside is to use garlic,
this is a good way to keep them away before you get them. The color
yellow attracts the thrips and should be advised not to have this color
around your grow.. If you already have them using neem oil, and or lady
bugs can get rid of them. If the infestation is bad then you need to
use biological solution like, pyrethrin-like insecticides.
Other Products include:
Chemicals
Hot Pepper Wax,Safer Yard & Garden Insecticide (which can be used
right to the day of harvest),GNATROL( used in hydro in the water as well
as soil),Doc's Neem Pest Soap,Safer Sticky Stakes,TR-11000 Pyrethrum.
Picture 1 is Thrip damage
Picture 2 is Thrip Larvae (Picture Contributed by: Flatt)

Caterpillars (cutworms, cabbageworms, ect.)
There are several different kinds of catapillars that
may affect cannabis plants, mainly the ones that affect the plants, do
almost the same damage, some do more severe depending on the numbers you
have eating on your plants. Most caterpillars will do damage by chewing
holes in the leaves, the holes will be kind of big, if so you know it’s
not going to be a smaller kind of pest.
If you find caterpillars have been eating at your plants and you need
to get rid of them; there are several non-toxic and least toxic methods
to choose from. You can also shake your plant a bit to make the
caterpillars fall off your plants. . If your plants are affected during
late flowering or close to harvest, please try to use the safest means
of control to be safe to your health.
Prevent and Control
Hand picking: Easy way to control them is to pick them up and knock them into a bucket of soapy water. If you are scared about handling caterpillars, you can use some gloves or have someone else pick them up for you.
PERMETHRIN dust
BTK in dust form can be used to kill caterpillars. BTK can also be used
to foliar spray your plants. One tablespoon of neem oil added to your BT
mix helps stick the mix to the plants better when you are foliar
spraying.. BTK is available in liquid form. Apply BTK on all of the
leaves both top and underside If you decided using the dust kind,spray
your plants down with water before you apply the dust Apply every week
to 2 weeks and or after it rains. The caterpillars must eat the BT as
they are feeding on foliage in order for the caterpillars to be rid of.
Organic
Insecticidal soaps, neem, oil, and spinosad are the safest insecticides
that can be used to control.. Soaps and neem are non-toxic and are great
to use when you have a lot of pests and want to be friendly to nature
and its animals. Spinosad works very very good in controlling the
caterpillar population and is non toxic to wild-life, pets, and humans.
It hardly has any impact at all on the plants.
Picture 1 shows caterpillar damage

Slugs and snails (Outdoor Growers)
Both slugs and snails travel by secreting a mucus or slime on which they glide. When you see the slime trail on your plants and have damage, then it was most likely caused by slugs or snails.When your garden is very moist slugs and snails can live for a long time as this is the key to them living a long time. If you keep your garden not as moist and dark slugs and snails cannot live as long. They stay away from the sunlight along with hiding around moist dark areas in the garden.They also hide in Mulches, short stubby plants, boards, and in the soil. They come out mostly at night and on cloudy days. They feed by chewing holes into your leaves and can clip the edges of leaves and flowers.Slugs and Snails are mostly pests of seedlings and herbaceous plants that are close to the ground. In order to confirm the damage was caused by slugs or snails, look for a silvery trail of mucous.
Controls
Snails can cause massive damage to gardens if given a chance. It is very unlikely you will be able to completely rid your garden of them, but try to keep the numbers down as much as possible to keep healthy and undamaged plants. Here are some ways to control slugs and snails.
Reduce slug and snail damage dramatically by watering in the morning
instead of the evening.
If you do see any slugs or snails avoid putting mulches and dark hiding
cover.Oak leaf mulch will deter slugs and snails.
Handpick slugs and snails at night. Use a bucket to put them into soapy
water.
Lay boards down in the garden to trap slugs and snails.
Diatomaceous earth sprinkled around you’re your plants base of the stems
will help keep out slugs and snails, but it can also stop other
beneficial insects.
Soak the soil with wormwood tea.
Put copper wire around your garden or at the base of your.Slugs get a big shock when they touch copper Just make sure you don’t trap them inside your garden when you put copper around your garden.
Beer is good to use, because slugs love beer!. Take a container of beer and bury it in your garden with it just barly above the ground so they can drink it and drown.
And one of our favorite additives.... SALT!
Predators that like to eat snails include:snakes, toads, frogs,fireflies, predatory snails, birds, beetles. The large, black iridescent beetles you see in your yard are predators. Firefly larvae eat on slugs and snails and can literally wipe out the development of them by eating 40 to 60 snails from just 1 larve of a firefly!!
Please be kind to nature and pets and stay away from poison slug bates.
If you have seen what it can do to pets you wouldn’t want to ever use it
again!!!
Poisonous baits are hazardous to all living beings and animals. Slugs
and snails can become resistant to baits. So its better to use other
methods and stay away from chemical baits, all the while protecting
nature.
Leaf miners
These Little creatures are a pain to get rid of, the miners eat and dig
squiggly lines into your leaves all the while planting there larvae in
them making it hard to get rid of them. They plant there eggs in the
leaves in mid When they hatch they feed off of your leaves untill they
get big enough to pupate. Pupation occurs within the leaf or in the soil
beneath the plant. After they emerge the entire cycle will start over
and you will have a bigger infestation. You can tell
you have leaf miners by looking at your leaves; it will look like
someone carved scribble lines all over the plants leaves. Leaf miners
also can leave your plant open to pathogens and fungus and low yields
from the damage to the leaves. The females dig into the leaves and lay
there eggs, the sap that is secreted when the leaf minors do damage
attract ants and flies. . If your plants are affected during late
flowering or close to harvest, please try to use the safest means of
control to be safe to your health.
Controls
Controls: Natural control for these insects is difficult. You can remove affected leaves and discard them. Chemical control is hard and is ment towards the emerging adults. Since the larvae is well protected within the leaf. Neem oil will work well.
Pictures 3-4 shows leaf miners attack


Scale (Outdoor Problem)
Scale can be found on stems, underside of branches, trunks, young trees or shrubs. They usally emerge from there eggs around March to Aug and make there homes on the plant. They pierce the cells and feed on the sap of the plant. After they have a place on your plant they devlop a very hard shell which protects them from other preadatory insects and chemical compounds to get rid of them. After they develop this hard back the secreation they drip attracts ants. Now since the ants travel over the scales thus dragging it all over your plant spreading the scale from one place to another on the plants. When the secreation falls on leaves it can make a type of mold called Sooty Mold which makes the leaves look dirty and black.
Pictures show Scale infestation:
(Photo Credit: Meddev)
Sooty MOLD
The problem with this type of fungi is that it attracts several types of sucking insects,like Aphids, Mealy Bugs, Thrips, and Whiteflies..This mold is so dark that it affects the plant by inhibiting the light from reaching its leaves which stops photosynthesis, which in turn makes the plant die.
Control
The waxy layer that is on scales protects them from insects and other
pesticides. In order to get rid of them Use a horticultural oil to kill
the adult populations throughout the year. If you can combine the oil
with the insecticide, such as, Orthene, Sevin, or malathion it can
almost wipe out the scale population along with the sooty mold it
causes!Neem soil works very well too!
You can do a few things.. more if your not nearing the end of harvest..
1) take a pack of chewing tobacco, mix it with a gallon of water, let it brew for a day.. spray the plants down as needed.. if your a cigarette smoker no worries spray em down till harvest.. watch for mold..
2) take some safers natural soap, mix it with some water so its a soapy slippery mixture, soak em down.. the idea is to suffocate the bugs in the soapy bubbles..
Ants
Ants are all over the place indoors and outdoors. Ants can be a pest in
your garden, because there homes are underground in the colonies which
require them to burrow through and thus causing root hairs and roots to
be damaged from there digging.
Though generally they do not cause damage to the leaves from biting they
may be eating dead leaf tissue, there may also be a hidden side to
ants. Ants can carry aphids to your plants and thus causing the
infestation, they can also be attracted to your plants if you already
have a pest infestation. Aphids, mealy bugs, white flies can secret a
sticky substance known as “honey dew” which is a sugar concentrate from
the plant's sap after aphids have excreted it on the plant. Ants love
this and which is why they are attracted to plants that have an
infestation. This honey dew that is secreted from pests can attract
sooty mold where ever the honey dew is secreted on the plant.( See Sooty
Mold for Details) If your plants do not have an infestation of pests,
but you see ants you need to get rid of them, because of them being able
to carry pests to your plants.
Ants are generally attracted to plants that already have aphids; white
flies mealy bugs and scales. You can see ants on the plant and around
the soil and in the soil. Your plants may show a different number of
problems, but the main damage is not caused by the ants, it’s the pests
that the ants may bring in or what they are attracted to on your plants.
Prevent and Control
To make sure you can keep ants away from your plants, you need to
make sure your plants are free of insects and other pests that ants are
attracted to. There are many ways you can deterrent ants from wandering
into your grow area.
Boric acid is an inorganic powder that must be kept away from children
and pets. Sprinkling it around your soil will help kill them when you
water your plants, while the boric acid gets into the soil. Boric acid
will not be toxic to your plants; it is also used for a cure when your
plants have a boron deficiency. Do not apply boric acid on the plant
itself; this is for soil plants, and areas around your plants that are
outdoors.
Sticky traps or tangle foot can help for the upper parts of the plants
that have ant infestation. Cucumber parings can also be used as a
repellant. Lemon Juice mixed with 50/50 water can be sprayed on the
plant as a repellant. Using common herbs like sage, mint leaves, and
spearmint. Mixing some of these with water can be used to spray onto the
plant. Using peanut butter ball with a bit of sugar on it can be a
sticky trap where they can’t get out of. You can put it near the soil or
small bits on the leaves, or where high infestation areas on your
plants. Watering your plants with apple cider vinegar can make them come
up and can also kill the larva in the soil. Flushing well before using
methods can help out a lot due to flooding the nest makes them come up
out of the nest and killing there larva from drowning. When they come up
using a deterrent can chase them away, if not use any one of these
items to kill them or deterrent them. Chemical Control should always be
the last resort for cannabis plants. Other ways to combat ants with
chemical ways:
Chemical Control
pyrethren
Malathion Plus
Insect spray concentration
Ant Baits
Ant be gone baits
Organic Control
(Deterrents)
Sage
Instant Grits (causes dehydration)
Cayenne pepper
Citric extracts
Cinnamon
Cream of tartar
Salt
Peppermint
Sage
Spearmint
Cucumber parings
Peppermint tea
Schultz-Instant Insect Spray
(Deterrent and Kill)
Water with apple cider vinegar
Flooding the nest with lots of water
Boric Acid
Orange peels, chopped, or grinded and lay on the soil top.
Orange Guard
Boric Acid mixed with sugar and water added a bit of peanut butter and
laid in the soil.
Safer Sticky Stakes
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Miscellaneous Sick Plant Troubles |
This picture is caused by temperature changing from cold to warm, cold nights and warm days.
Some varieties, like equatorial sativas, don't take well to cold weather. If you can keep the roots warmer, the plant will be able to take cooler temps than it otherwise could. Also note that in colder temps, phosphorus gets poorly absorbed and if this happens your plants can show purpling of the leaves and stems, (cannabis has a natural purple color to it's stems, the deep purple is what shows the problem)this is the same example when plants change color in flowering when environment triggers cause the plant to change color, also genes play a role as well.

This picture below shows phosphorus being locked out due to cold temps.
(Photo Credit: TikTok420)

Another lockout of phosphorus due to cooler temps
This picture is what light bleaching/ light burn looks like.
Only way to fix this is to Move the lights away from the plant!
Or make sure you dont go over 75 watts a sq foot, or your plant will
have to much light and light bleaching can occur anywhere on the plant.
(indica species seem to bleach easier than sativas imo.)
(Picture Provided by Boy Howdy)

These pictures is what heat stress looks like.
Only way to fix this is to Move the lights away from the plant!
And get better ventalation, and or add more fans! Heat - If the lights
are too close to the plant, the tops may be curled,
dry, and look burnt, mimicking a
nutrient problem. Your hand should not feel hot after a minute when you
hold it at the top of the plants.
(Picture 1 and 2 Provided by Mosfed)

Nutrient Burn :teef:
Nutrient Burn is one of the MOST common mistakes a new
grower makes, reason for this is, because a newer grower will use a
chemical nutrient most of the time and listen to the directions on the
box. This is a NO NO! Depending on the age of the plant, size, strain
and soil mixture you are using also has a factor. There is no set
guideline when using nutrients, but I can give you a good example to
start out with so you will not burn your plants. It’s always good to
start out light, rather than feed heavy. Remember you can always add
more later, but can not take out when you added to much. Chemical and
Organic nutrients differ. Chemical nutrients are more readily available
and can burn way easier than organics can. Organics are easier for a
newer grower to use, most of the time, and lessen your chances of
burning your plants.
I recommend not using more than ½ teaspoon of chemical nutrients per
gallon of water. Unless the plants are very big 5 feet+, then it’s safe
to use 1 teaspoon per gallon of water. When your plants first emerge you
want to wait at least 2 weeks before feeding your plants, unless your
plants are in a soiless mixture, like pro mix. The cotyledons (its first
set of round looking leaves) are what give the plant its food until
they get the first 2 or 3 sets of leaves. If your plants are in a
soiless mixture and are over the first week of age; you can feed a weak
amount of nutrients, like ¼ teaspoon per gallon of water. Soiless
mixtures are different from soil plants and soiless plants need to be
fed more when using this mixture.
I also recommend not feeding more than 1 time a week if using ½ teaspoon per gallon of water for chemical nutrients. You can feed every other day,( this goes for chemical and organics) at very weak amounts, but doing this may contribute to over watering, and for that I do not recommend feeding more than once a week. Some people feed 2 times a week using like ¼ teaspoon per gallon of water.. Use 1/4 strength for first feeding and then go up to 1/2 strength from the 2nd feeding when using chemical nutrients. It’s very easy to overdo it. When using organics, depending on which one you’re using, I recommend using 1 teaspoon per gallon of water. When the plant gets bigger you can work your way up to using more nutrients when the plants get bigger.
As for soil mixtures, there are a lot of different kinds of soil’s out there. Using a rich soil mixture is not recommended for seedlings. Seedlings that are under 2 weeks of age you do not want to start them in rich soil, using a seed starter mixture is one of the safer ways. Seed starter mixtures are weak in nutrients, so it will not burn the seedlings but will provide them enough to get past seedling stage, but the downside is you have to transplant into a better soil mixture after 2 weeks of age. If you decide to start with this mixture, do not put your seedlings into a big pot. Start them out with using a cup or a small pot.
Nutrient Burn causes leaf tips to appear yellow or burnt. They can also be brown and twisted and crispy looking. Depending on the severity it can show many different symptoms and shows on lower part of the plant when its young, at older stages it can move anywhere on the plant.
To fix the problem when you have Nutrient burn, you want to flush out the plants with lots of water.
Soil
Soil should be flushed with lots of water, Use 3 gallons of water per one gallon of soil. Flush very thoroughly, after plant recovers usually after a week, you can resume using nutrients after a week or a week 1/2. When you flush your soil, you flush everything out, a lot of nutrients go with it, including the soil nutrients.
Hydro
Change out the reservoir, flush out any lines and clean out the entire
system and replace with plain water for the first hour, then start out
with lower parts per million (PPM)
Its good to clean out your system every 2 weeks and replace with fresh
water and nutrients. Some people change everything every week!
Ahh, nute burn! Stop this by not adding to much chemical/organic
nutrients to your water,foliar feeding. DONT feed more than 1 time a
week unless using weak amount, use 1/4 strength for first feeding and
then go up to 1/2 strength from then on when using chemical nutrients.
Its very easy to overdo it. Causes leaf tips to appear yellow or burnt.
NEVER give nutrients to plants that are under 2 weeks of age, at this
age the soil nutrients are enough to suppliment them untill 2 weeks of
age or more depending on how good your soil is. Using ferts before 2
weeks will almost likley kill your plants.
Pictures below show nutrient burn
(photo 1 credit: Hansi)


Picture 3 shows recovery of nutrient burn
(Photo Credit: The King Of New York)
Stem Problems
Stem Breakage - Everyone from time to time has had this problem or will.
This is when your stem is broken. Stem breaks can come from a number of
things: training, dropping something on it, animals, weather. No matter
how it happened the most important thing is to not panic.
Solution - Fixing this is not really a problem. Splint it with something
and tape it in place. Marijuana has a great ability to come back even
after a stem break. Give her a week or so to recover before she will
start to grow again. And be more careful next time!
Misc things to know!!
When your humidity is low your leaves can become shriveled. Using humidity around 40-60% is fine for vegging and flowering.
If your plants are stretching than it can be caused by a few things. Not
enough light, or it’s the wrong kind of light. Stay away from
incadesant bulbs they produce more heat than good. Same goes for
halogens, they are worthless and cause more heat than anything else.
Instead get a HPS, MH, Fluros or some compact fluros!
Hps will keep your plant short and stubby while cool fluros will keep
your plant bushy, while soft white will keep your plant tall,Having a
mixture will have a tal and bushy plant! Nothing wrong with having mixed
spectrums!
Or just go grow outside and save energy!!
Cloning Problems
A lot of times clones will yellow, when trying to root, some yellowing
is alright, but if the yellowing is taking over and roots have not
shown, you need to check to make sure the growing medium is close and
tight to the stem. Allowing any air to get down into the hole will dry
out the lower stem and can delay roots growing. Also making sure the
medium is moist, but not saturated is important. Lighting does not have
to be to close when they are un-rooted, after showing roots is when it’s
important and the light needs to be closer.
Plain tap water that is ph adjusted is just fine till the clones have
rooted. Giving any nutrients will kill them until they have been rooted,
even then when giving clones nutrients for the first time needs to be a
little bit weak.
If you are using a dome for cloning, you want to make sure if you do
mist your plants, do not mist them heavily, you don’t want to spoil your
plants, misting to heavy will delay rooting as well, you want your
plants to grow roots to go get the water, they will root more slower if
the water is readily given to them. Not to mention when you mist them a
lot, your plants will have to be “weaned” from there dome. Your plants
will droop quickly if taken out of the dome after they have been rooted.
In order to stop this, do not mist them so much. If you are having
problems with droopy clones, you may want to try an anti droop spray.
This will help the plants stop drooping as bad. You can kill clones by
not weaning them out of the dome or cause stress and stunt them. I have
my own cloning method that stops the weaning process while using a dome,
So remember don’t soil your clones by misting them daily, making sure
your mediums you are using for cloning are moist enough to last through
the cloning process, but not saturated. If the temperature in the medium
where the roots are at is under 65 degrees, you'll want to use a
heating mat. Temps of around 75 to 80 are optimal. Anything over 80F
will cause transpiration and dry out your medium to quickly and roots
will not have a chance of growing. Colder temps cause roots to slow
causing yellowing in the leaves and stunting. Yellowing on the leaves of
a clone is not always a sign of cold temperatures, there could be other
problems like medium being too saturated, roots being delayed from
cloning method, water temperatures being to warm if using a bubble
cloner. Leaves that turn yellow on clone’s means it is using stored
nutrients from the leaves to help it try to root. Clones that become
cold before having a chance to root will less likely root at all.
Some strains are more difficult to clone than others, some can also root
faster and some can take much longer. It seems indica dominant strains
have a much easier time cloning, where sativa dominant strains are
pickier and require “tweaking” your cloning method if you want to get a
higher success rate.
Yellowing leaves on cuttings
When unrooted clones start to yellow it means they are either not touching the rooting medium good enough, to much co2. The vast majority of the time, an unrooted cutting will begin to yellow some of it's leaves, starting with it's largest oldest leaves, because it is too close to the lights and it needs to be moved farther away. Some yellowing is normal just as the cutting begins rooting and can be a sign of the cutting using it's oldest leaves as a food source while it is forming new roots. Plain tap water that is ph adjusted is just fine until the clones have rooted. Giving any ferts will kill them untill they have been rooted.
Seedlings Stretching
If your plants are stretching than it can be caused by a few things. Not
enough light, Light not close enough, or it’s the wrong kind of light.
Stay away from incandescent bulbs they produce more heat than good. Same
goes for halogens; they are worthless and cause more heat than anything
else. Instead get a HPS, (High Pressure Sodium) MH, (Metal-Halide)
Florescent Tubes, or some compact florescent!
HPS will keep your plant short and stubby while cool florescent tubes
and compact florescent (blue spectrum) and MH will keep your plant
bushy, while soft white will keep your plant tall, having a mixture will
have tall and bushy plants! Nothing wrong with having mixed spectrums!
Or if you can safely, just go grow outside and save energy!!
If you are running in hydro its good to change your water every 2 weeks
TOPS to keep out bacteria growth and to keep your plants with a good
supply of fresh water.
A good rule to go by for how much PPM each part of your plants growth has is as follows:
(This is just a guideline and in different situations the ppm would need to be changed)
Seedlings should be around 50-150 PPM
Unrooted clones to be around 100-350 PPM
small plants to be around 400-800 PPM
large plants to be around 900-1800 PPM
Last week of flowering use plain water.
If you see dark or patchy spots on your leaves, that could mean you have
mold. Check fordark patchy areas on the leaves and if you do have mold,
lower the humidity and get a better ventilation setup going to prevent
further occurrences.
And most important.. KEEP YOUR GARDEN CLEAN!!!
PPM = parts per million
EC = electric conductivaty
TDS = total desolved solids
(information provided by syko2)
PPM--EC conversion Chart
Re-printed with Permission from Jorge Cervantes;
EC Hanna Eutech Truncheon CF
ms/cm 0.5 ppm 0.64 ppm 0.70 ppm 0
0.1 50 ppm 64 ppm 70 ppm 1
0.2 100 ppm 128 ppm 140 ppm 2
0.3 150 ppm 192 ppm 210 ppm 3
0.4 200 ppm 256 ppm 280 ppm 4
0.5 250 ppm 320 ppm 350 ppm 5
0.6 300 ppm 384 ppm 420 ppm 6
0.7 350 ppm 448 ppm 490 ppm 7
0.8 400 ppm 512 ppm 560 ppm 8
0.9 450 ppm 576 ppm 630 ppm 9
1.0 500 ppm 640 ppm 700 ppm 10
1.1 550 ppm 704 ppm 770 ppm 11
1.2 600 ppm 768 ppm 840 ppm 12
1.3 650 ppm 832 ppm 910 ppm 13
1.4 700 ppm 896 ppm 980 ppm 14
1.5 750 ppm 960 ppm 1050 ppm 15
1.6 800 ppm 1024 ppm 1120 ppm 16
1.7 850 ppm 1088 ppm 1190 ppm 17
1.8 900 ppm 1152 ppm 1260 ppm 18
1.9 950 ppm 1216 ppm 1330 ppm 19
2.0 1000 ppm 1280 ppm 1400 ppm 20
2.1 1050 ppm 1334 ppm 1470 ppm 21
2.2 1100 ppm 1408 ppm 1540 ppm 22
2.3 1150 ppm 1472 ppm 1610 ppm 23
2.4 1200 ppm 1536 ppm 1680 ppm 24
2.5 1250 ppm 1600 ppm 1750 ppm 25
2.6 1300 ppm 1664 ppm 1820 ppm 26
2.7 1350 ppm 1728 ppm 1890 ppm 27
2.8 1400 ppm 1792 ppm 1960 ppm 28
2.9 1450 ppm 1856 ppm 2030 ppm 29
3.0 1500 ppm 1920 ppm 2100 ppm 30
3.1 1550 ppm 1984 ppm 2170 ppm 31
3.2 1600 ppm 2048 ppm 2240 ppm 32
There are three conversion factors which various manufacturers use for displaying ppm's...
USA 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 500 ppm
European 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 640 ppm
Australian 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 700 ppm
For example,
Hanna, Milwaukee 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 500 ppm
Eutech 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 640 ppm
Truncheon 1 ms/cm (EC 1.0 or CF 10) = 700 ppm
Water
Yes, water does play a huge role when you are trying to grow healthy
plants not only does our plants need water, but there are many different
kinds of water to use, there is bottled water, Tap water, Reverse
Osmosis water (RO) and Distilled.
Out of all these different kinds of water, there’s one thing you want to
make absolutely sure of and that is making sure any kinds of these
water’s do NOT have sodium in them.
Sodium will completely lock out any nutrients you have given your plants
single handedly. Sodium is the first thing plants take in when taking
in nutrients and when this happens, a build up of salts will happen and
lock out nutrients in your soil/hydro setup. The salts stay built up in
the soil. Using water that has sodium, like from bottled water or tap
water, or from a water softener is what you want to stay away from. If
your home has a water softener, then you must either buy bottled water,
either from a fill station, or make a bypass valve before the pipe gets
to the water softener. Plants suffering from sodium toxicity show a vast
amount of problems, depending on how resilient your plant strains are,
and how healthy your plants are, plays a great deal in the final
outcome. When the plants are young is when they are the most affected,
under 3 weeks of age is when the damage can really be done. Sodium
causes stunting droopiness and most of the time, nitrogen, magnesium and
calcium are the nutrients to be locked out first, twisting and
discoloration on the leaves, mostly lower to middle is where it starts.
They will always have a droopy look to them even when your soil is kind
of dry; the leaves never stay perky when there is too much sodium in the
system (Soil/Hydro). Sometimes your plants will not recover and they
will not grow, usually it’s the younger plants less than 3 weeks of age.
In order to fix this problem, it’s simple you need to flush your soil
out with a lot of clean sodium free water.
Flush with as much clean water as you can 2 x the amount to the size of
your pot. So if you have a 2 gallon size pot; use 4 gallons of water to
flush it out. If you have hydro system flush out your system with clean
water, let it sit for about 15 min. and then flush it out and put more
clean water in and apply your nutrients, or whatever you had in your
setup.
Hard water
Hard water causes nutrients to not be absorbed properly in your plants,
in order to find out if you have hard water you can by test strips from a
pool store or hardware store, strips will tell you ph, hard water and
other things that may be in your water.
Anything over 200 is considered hard water, but it’s the higher numbers
like 350 and higher is what you want to be alerted about. If you do have
hard water you may want to consider installing a reverse osmosis
system. Reverses osmosis system cleans the water, but also removes
calcium and magnesium from the water. High levels of calcium and
magnesium is what contributes to hard water. If you choose to use a
reverse osmosis, you will need to supplement your plants with a little
more calcium and magnesium.
Hermaphrodite Pollination
Yes, your female plants can turn into males! The factor is strain
induced and or your growing environment conditions. What some seed
companies wont tell you when you are growing there feminized strains
are; that in order to achieve 100% female success rate, you have to be
growing in prime conditions, that is with humidity, you can not add to
much water, nutrients, light and such. Feminized seeds are not the only
kind that turn into male and female, ANY strain and any plant can turn
into a hermaphrodite. If your plants keep turning into hermaphrodites,
there are some things you can do; first you need to see if the strain
you are growing is prone to turning hermaphrodite. If you are not
growing a strain you know about, say you are growing bag seed; you do
not know anything about what kind it is, so the best thing to do is not
grow it and get some different beans. Next thing you need to do is make
sure your growing conditions are good, fresh air, proper nutrients, not
to high not to low, your plants have enough light, and making sure your
flowering room does not have any light leaks. Light Leaks can cause the
plants to become hermaphrodites. Cannabis plants can see the tiniest
amount of light, so making absolutely sure your flowering room has no
light leaks is also a factor. If your plants have turned into
hermaphrodites and pollinated your plants, there is nothing you can do
about it, those beans the plant produces will carry the hermaphrodite
trait and if you grow them out you may be right back to where you are.
You can in fact grow female plants from hermaphrodite seeds, but they
are going to be very unstable.
What you want to make sure though is, when you put your other plants
into flowering, you want to make absolutely sure your room is washed
down and everything that was in the room be washed down as well, growing
equipment, hoses, nutrient bottles, pots, everything. You don’t want
pollen that stayed behind to pollinate your girls this time around.
Washing down everything with watered down bleach or soap will prevent
old pollen left on walls and equipment from re-pollinating your plants.
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Part 3 Plant Diseases/Infections
Stem Canker (Stem Rot) Stem cankers are what the name is, they form on stems from a fungus similar to white and yellow leaf spot. Weather can affect the way stem cankers can live; wet humid weather is what makes this fungus thrive. Canker fungus is caused and entered the same white and leaf spot fungus enters the plants, it enters through an open cut, wound, pruned wound, or pest infestation that has caused damage by eating leaves or chewing on the stem’s or stalks and can be transferred through rain. It can also get in through susceptible plants that have been wounded through environmental factors like animal attacks, pruning, LST (Low Stress Training), and using cutting utensils that are not sanitary that may have fungus or bacteria on them. Damage to the plant occurs in the form of a yellowish-brown discoloration on the lower portion of the stalk. Later, the leaves turn yellow and fall off, and the plant dries out and dies.They form mostly on the stems, but severe cases spotting starts to form on the leaves from internal tissue being cut of nutrients and water. In between nodes is where stem cankers start to form, and move up the plant, around the 3rd, 4th and 5th node is where it will mainly affects the plants. Stems will have brown lesions; eventually have a dark reddish-brown sunken canker in the stem. Sometimes if severe the wound may reopen and appear split in the middle of the area of the wound on the stem and can also create a buldge. The lesions can extend up the plant over 3 or 4 nodes, once this happens the plant starts to wilt from vascular uptake being cut. This gets confused with root rot when the plant starts to wilt, and leaves turn yellowish brown and or spots, because the stem canker does not show itself yet once this starts to happen. Once the stem canker has been observed and if not treated, the leaves will start to wilt with yellow, white and brown spots, similar to white and yellow leaf spot. When plants are affected by this, the plant is more susceptible to more fungus and viral infections, from air borne spores. |
Prevent and Control
Preventing stem cankers is about the same way other fungus problems,
making sure you treat wounds to your plant with H202, making sure your
plants are free of pest’s and if you use tools to LST (low stress
training) your plants pruning, and training, make sure all tools are
sterilized before and after using them. Spraying your plant with
fungicides in the months or times this fungus spreads. It’s very
important that you catch this fungus before it gets to bad, once the
damage has been done to the plant; the only way to get rid of this is to
chop the plant down and treat the area that has been infected. Planting
other plants near and or around this area can and will re-affect other
plants when a new season starts.
Once your plant does have this, using fungicides until it is gone is
crucial; if the canker has worsened foliar feeding is a must to help
keep the plants vigor, strength and stamina in fighting the fungus. Stem
cankers take over by slowly reducing the plants uptake and thus takes
over the susceptibility of the plant and the fungus then takes over and
worsens more quickly. Using anyone of these products will help control
or eliminate stem cankers. (If the plant is to bad, nothing can save it
and the plant must be cut down and tools sanitized to stop the spread of
the fungus.) (Note: When using chemical and or organic control methods,
do not spray the buds, and for health and safety reasons, stay away
from spraying around the buds if all possible.)
Physan 20
TR-11000 Pyrethrum
Garden Disease Control
Multi Purpose Fungicide
Top Spin
Safer's Garden Fungicide
Concern Copper Soap Fungicide
Guardian Angel
Serenade Garden Disease Control OMRI
Safer 3-in1 Garden Spray OMRI
Sulfur Vaporizer
Organocide
SM-90
Any fungicide containing lime sulphur
Concern Copper Soap Fungicide
Fusarium Wilt
The United States released this fungus in an area; it later had
devastating effects on cannabis plants even after winter had passed it
stayed in the soil. Seedlings that were planted were killed several
years after the fungus was released. This fungus can be air borne and
transmitted like other fungus and pathogens, it gets in through
susceptible plants that have been wounded through environmental factors
like animal attacks, pruning, LST (Low Stress Training), pest
infestation and using cutting utensils that are not sanitary that may
have fungus or bacteria on them. Fusarium wilt causes internal damage to
vascular lines inside the plant and blocks the plants ability to carry
water and nutrients. Symptoms included wilting of the plant, leaves
becoming necrotic and yellowing wilting of the leaves while the
yellowing leaves may look like a nutrient deficiency, this is clearly a
mask, with Fusarium wilt, leaves will yellow and stay on the plant,
where with a nitrogen deficiency the leaves will yellow and fall off.
While not affecting the roots, it does affect inside the plant cell
walls, inside the plants walls will reveal a red brown color inside the
tissue. Stems will change color from normal green and purple hue, to a
dark purple to blackish color. This pathogen can get confused with root
rot, because the symptoms this pathogen shows are nearly the same as
root rot, but roots are not affected. This clogging effect inside is
what causes the external symptoms. While this fungus is traveling inside
the plant, the toxins spread to uninfected areas and causing the
clogging effect internally, these toxins is what causes the other un
infected tissue to start to show the 2ndary problems, which are slow
wilting of the leaves, stem collapse, stem discoloration and overall
droopiness (as if the plant is dry and had no water) to parts of the
plant, even if they get plenty of water. This fungus is a real killer to
cannabis plants, any remaining plants that are survived can be stunted.
Fusarium Wilt thrives in warm moist temperatures, which is why southern
states have Fusarium Wilt the worst.
Prevent and Control
Fusarium Wilt is by far one of the hardest things for cannabis to
overcome, if it ever does overcome it. Your plant health, environment
and strain have a lot to do with weather or not Fusarium wilt will take
over your plants. This pathogen mainly affects cannabis and hemp family,
but can affect other plants but does not show the damaging effect it
has on cannabis, like it does on other kinds of plants. This pathogen
was breed specifically to attack wild cannabis plants and growers who
grow there plants outdoors’. There is no form of organic control for
this type, reason for this is, because the fungus is so strong and not
susceptible to much of anything unless you get it right when it starts,
if you do not get it in time, it thrives in the plants and consumes and
kills the plants. There is only a few ways to control this fungus, one
is to fumigate the area you are growing in killing the pathogen in the
soil while it is dormant, so when you grow in this area again, your
plants are much less likely to get it, the only other way your plants
could get this if not from the soil, is from airborne spores get in
through open wounds on your plants leaves, stems and stalks. Plants that
produced seeds when it was infected with Fusarium wilt should not be
used, as the pathogen stays dormant on the seed and attacks it when the
seedling emerges and causing the “damping off” effect and thus killing
the seedling before it even has a chance to grow it’s real first set of
leaves. Acidic soil helps boost Fusarium wilt. Stay away from acidic
soils .Counteract this by using dolomite lime, or green sand Using
potassium and calcium enriched organic nutrients can help fight off and
prevent Fusarium wilt, excessive amounts of nitrogen, phosphorus can
speed up Fusarium wilt.
If your plant gets this it will surely die, the only thing you can do is
try to reduce the destruction by foliar feeding areas that are not
infected, cut off infected areas discard them away from your growing
areas and treat the wound with h202 (Hydrogen Peroxide).
Making sure you clean your tools afterwards is important. Treating with
fungicides will not work in controlling this.
Pictures below show Fusarium Wilt infection.
(Photo Credit: Hort)


Powdery Mildew
Mildew spores can be brought into the grow room through air ventilation
into your grow room, your cloths, pets and be carried by animals
outdoors. and land on the plant infecting other parts of the plant,
buds, stems, stalks and leaves, also spores can land on indoor grow room
walls, tubes, growing equipment, hoods, ballast’s, cords and etc.
Spores can remain dormant until environment factors trigger it, like
high humidity and cool temperatures, poor air circulation. Powdery
mildew in vegetative growth is much easier to rid than in the later
stages of flowering. Night time temperatures and moisture triggers
spores to be released. The mildew eventually covers and coats the plant
thus reducing the process of photosynthesis. If left untreated powdery
mildew will infect all plants in your garden and coat your plants in
flour like substance and cause leaves to “suffocate” Yellow and die off.
If your plants are in flowering, depending how far into flowering, your
buds will eventually become infected and will not be able to be used.
Buds will have a stale moist smell and will be coated with a white
powdery substance that can’t be removed no matter what you do. Very
early detection in flowering plants that have powdery mildew is
extremely important, the longer you wait in flowering the more
impossible it gets to eradicate this, due to this, bud size gets bigger
in flowering and having high humidity temperatures over 65% can trigger
active spores to start, not only powdery mildew, but triggers other
problems from it, like bud rot. Not only will you have lower yield, but
you won’t have any buds, due to the fact mold has crippled your harvest.
Strains vary in susceptibility to molds, just like other pathogens and
nutrient requirements and care.
Prevent and Control
Symptoms of your plants having powdery mildew include: white blotches of
furry stuff and white spots or splotches that you can wipe off, having
humidity that is over 65%, also starts on darker areas of the plant and
spreads to the top. Darker areas on your plant that do not get a lot of
light will start to show this first, then when spores become active it
spreads to everything. The longer you let it go the harder it will be to
eradicate, late flowering plants that have this are extremely hard to
get rid of, due to bud density thicker in late flowering plants, because
of this the mildew attacks the buds which you can’t cure mildew once it
affects the buds.(also known as Bud Rot)Plants that are stressed from
environment factors, or fighting pest’s will be taken over more by this
mold, due to the fact it’s already fighting problems. If you see your
stressed plants getting it first, try to isolate the plant and bring
down humidity, better air ventilation and or negative air pressure grow
room. If you have mildew with your fans running, you will need to take
them down and clean them as the fans can spread spores around the room.
You will need to wash down everything in your indoor grow room, spores
land on everything, so everything needs to be washed with mild hot water
and bleach solution. Removing infected leaves from the grow room is
critical, carefully removing them and trying to not knock spores into
the air is a challenge. Applying a bag over infected leaves and tying it
shut then removing it helps out with not knocking up spores in the air.
Making sure you use h202 on stems that have open wounds from leaves
that was removed. DO NOT water when lights are going to be going out,
doing this keeps water on the plants soil and causes higher humidity
levels, this goes for foliar feeding. Water plants when lights first
come on or there is at least 5 hours left of lights on. You want to
reduce the amount of humidity as possible if your levels of RH are high,
you want to keep your humidity levels around 40 to 50%, and anything
over 60% is going to trigger problems. Also keeping plants spaced apart
allowing maximum air flow in between plants will help minimize plant to
plant infection. Using a dehumidifier can greatly reduce humidity
issues. Using a meter that tells your grow room conditions like
temperature, RH and time can help combat your problems, by keeping track
before and after you water can tell you how much if any your humidity
can rise after changes made to the grow room. Sulphur Burner is another
way to prevent and kill powdery mildew by vaporizing spores in the air.
(Do not apply sulfur when air temperature is near or over 90°F)
Controlling your mildew outdoors can be somewhat of a challenge, you
can’t control outdoor temperatures, or environmental factors, Using
Vapor Gard,Wilt Pruf sprayed over the leaves can prevent infection’s.
You will need to treat your plants with various organic and chemical
controls. This list will work for indoor and outdoor growers in killing
and preventing Powdery Mildew. Outdoor growers can use Organics List
below to help prevent Powdery Mildew of starting, even after it has
started using anything below will help kill it off. (Note: When using
chemical and or organic control methods, do not spray the buds, and for
health and safety reasons, stay away from spraying around the buds if
all possible.)
AQ10
Serenade
Plant Shield
Garden Disease Control
Fungicide containing Lime, Sulphur
JMS Stylet Oil
Saf-T-Side Spray Oil
Sunspray Ultra-Fine Spray Oil
Neem Oil
Neem 2
Kaligreen
Safer Garden Fungicide
Concern Copper Soap Fungicide
Guardian Angel
Serenade Garden Disease Control OMRI
Safer 3-in1 Garden Spray OMRI
Sulfur Vaporizer
Organocide
SM-90
Malatox
Garden Sulphur
Sulphur Burner
Sodium Bicarbonate
Chi
Mother Nature's Karanja Oil
Concern Copper Soap Fungicide
Picture below shows Powdery Mildew
(Photo Credit: Beach Stoned)
Damping-Off
Damping-Off is a fungus that is in soil mixtures, it attacks seeds and
seedlings before and after it emerges from the shell. Seedlings that
get attacked by this fungus usually die, considering the plant doesn’t
have a fighting chance nor a system setup to help fight the fungus. A
range of growth stages the plant can be attacked, up to 8 sets of true
leaves, or 3 leaf nodes. Leaves, roots, and stems can be affected.
Damping-off can be easily confused by excessive fertilization (Nutrient
Burn), high levels of salts from either water or nutrient solution build
up, excessive heat or cold, excessive or insufficient soil moisture.
The Cotyledons show on the soil surface can whither and die or healthy
looking seedlings may suddenly fall over. Infection first starts right
below the soil line; once attacked, the seedling and vegetative stage
plants will start to rot, lower part of the stem will be soft, brown and
or leaves will turn purplish hue and can yellow, brown and then fall
over or shrivel up; can be any one of these or show all symptoms.
Seedlings, or vegetative stage plants then can start to fall over from
stem being so soft and starting to rot inside out, one item contributes
to this problem is over watering, putting seedlings, or small plants
into a big pot; when you water the soil down lower soaks up excess water
and ends up sitting in the middle to bottom part of the soil in the
pot. When this happens fungus begins to build up due to them not having a
deep enough or a big root system to absorb all the excess water, then
it ends up turning into damping-off. Later stages of damping-off in
vegetative stage seedling, the leaves will droop and turn yellow, as if
the plant was over watered. Stems will be severely weaken and may fall
over from being under developed and skinny. Older plants can build up a
resistance to damping-off, but if they do not, older plants show long
skinny stems, stunted roots, and stem discoloration. The Soil that is
rich in nitrogen, r rich mixture, and soggy soils, soil that stay wet
for long periods, and warm soil or temperatures. Even hydroponics
systems can get damping-off; mediums that stay too saturated, you have
less likely chance of getting damping-off in hydroponics systems.
Prevent and Control
In order to help control damping off or preventing it you should try
to start seedlings in “starter cups”, drinking cups you get from the
store; putting drainage holes in the bottom of the cups is extremely
important in helping avoid damping-off, allowing excessive water drain
so the bottom half of the mixture will not stay wet.
This is why cups are great for starter seedlings, you can still over
water, but your chances of getting damping off are much less than that
of a seedling put into a big pot with lots of soil. Making sure you have
holes and a good amount of perlite in your mixture helps greatly, I
always recommend cups having drainage holes. Putting seeds into the soil
at a low depth helps out, just putting it an inch or 2 at the most
helps avoid the fungus.
Avoid starting planting in rich soil mixtures, not only can you burn
them when they emerge out of the soil, but too much nitrogen can lack
root growth and aggravate damping-off. Try using a seed starter mixture,
not watering heavily, and avoid watering everyday, seedlings in cups
should only be watered a bit every 2 days, seedlings with 2 to 3 sets of
leaves in cups can start to be watered more heavily where water starts
to drip out the drainage holes, only then you should water like this
every 3 days. Over watering is one of the biggest causes of
damping-off. Also using soiless-mixtures like peat growing mixed with
other stuff can help deterrent it. If you decide to get mostly soil with
peat moss, you must make sure there is dolomite lime added to adjust
the p H, otherwise you will have ph issues that can lead to locking out
nutrients that are in the soil, but not able to be absorbed because the
ph is off. Using sterile soil helps greatly, Allow great air flow and
circulation in your grow room, allow the surface to dry before watering
again, using moisture meters, or sticking your finger down in the soil
near the edge of the pot to test for wetness down in the soil. Testing
the soil near the edge of the pot helps to avoid bothering root
development.
Once Seedlings that have already emerged from there seed shell and end
up getting affected by damping off has a very high chance they will not
survive and there is nothing you can do about it, by the time it shows
in seedlings, it will already be to far gone. Using a fungicide on the
seed before putting it into soil mixtures helps to avoid post emerge
damping-off. Vegetative stage plants with a few sets of leaves has a
better chance of fighting it off, using a fungicide can help depending
on how far along the fungus has spread. Using any of these products
below can help avoid or kill damping-off. (If using on seedlings or
seeds, use organic based fungicides.) Chemical control should only be
used on older plants, not seedlings.
Physan 20
Garden Disease Control
Multi Purpose Fungicide
Top Spin
Captan
Thiram
Apron
Safer's Garden Fungicide
Concern Copper Soap Fungicide
Guardian Angel
Serenade Garden Disease Control OMRI
Safer 3-in1 Garden Spray OMRI
Organocide
SM-90
Root Rot
What causes root rot? Low Oxygen levels. (DO) Desolved Oxigen. Temp's
are the main reason for root rot, Low temps will lower the DO levels and
high temps will cause low DO levels. Keeping temps between 65 to 72
will allow MAX DO levels or max o2 for roots. (Thank you so much for the
information syko2! has provided above!)
Over watering also causes root rot, Root Rot infects parts of the roots,
which then spread infecting the whole roots causing death, Root Rot can
be caused by to high of temps in hydro as well as over watering. Not
enough drainage in your soil can cause Root Rot, even signs of it
looking over watered, because the soil holds moisture to long for the
roots to dry out. So these 3 things are all connected together. The main
one that causes everything is over watering. Once you find out you have
root rot, depending on how bad the problem is, you can add H202(
Hydrogen Peroxide) with your water or hydro setup to kill the bacteria
caused from root rot. If the plant is severely taken over by it, there
are only a few things you can do, cut off the roots affected by it
depending on if its hair roots or tap roots, use H202 mixed with water
in a different bucket and use it for a dip to help kill off bacteria
before putting it back in the system, also note the system needs to be
cleaned out if you have root rot.... using products like sm90 will kill
off the root rot, using h202 in your system does more harm than good,
it kills off the bad bacteria and good thus creating a worse off problem
after the h202 has been overran, h202 if used in a hydro/aero system
must be replaced everyday due to it disapating from the air. After it
disaptes the plants defensive system has been killed off by the h202
causing the root rot that was not killed by the h202 left and thus
overruns the plants root system. So again h202 should never be used in
the hydro system, be kept in the system, although it is safe to use to
rid of algae growth in rockwool and other mediums, but never be used in
with the root zones regularly. Sm90 is a good product you can use to
kill off root rot. Hydroguard helps protect and there are many other
products that work as well, hydroguard is one of the more popular ones
that work.
To prevent Root Rot, adding product's like Thrive Alive B-1, See Weed,
Super thrive will help protect your plant's from root rot and will help
cure root problems. ( Again ty so much for giving me the info syko2!!!)
Here is what root rot looks like: 4eBig thanks goes out to buzz,
diggerdigzit and Shop Vac! Thanks for the pics guys! :tup:
First pic is of to high temps in the bubbler: Last 2 pics came from
chemical burn root rot first pic, moldy rock wool with root rot.
(Picture Provided by Buzz)

(Pictures 2 and 3 Provided by Chemical Burn)


(Picture 4 was contributed by Diggerdigzit)

Bud Rot
During the last week or two of flowering, depending on if you use
chemical or organics. If you use chemical, you want to flush 1 ½ weeks
to 2 weeks before harvest to flush out all of the chemical nutrients
that your plant was using. If you are using Organics then you would want
to flush about a week before harvest. Giving them plain water is fine,
flushing them also improves the overall quality of your bud. Once you
start to 'flush' you should check extra careful for bud rot. Bud Rot
Happens when the humidity is high, if you have fat dense buds, or if
mold spores are in the air. Bud rot looks like a black brownish sludge
that can quickly take over your plant and ruin your harvest. The mold
spores are air-borne.
Prevent and Control
Removing any dead or dying material from the plant helps prevent bud rot so does decreasing humidity and increasing ventilation. There are also safe anti fungal sprays from hydro shops that help. If you do find gray mould, cut off the infected part of the plant well above and below the effected area and remove it from the grow room. Decreasing the humidity from 55% to around 40% will make a big difference in preventing bud mold. Also having very big buds can cause bud rot, and would advise watching the areas on your plant that have the biggest, thickest and the more dense buds. Try to have medium size buds rather than having big thick buds. Having a dehumidify around when high humidity days can help as well.
To protect them against bud rot for outside. DO NOT foliar spary at
night, doing this the heat will not evaporate the water as well because
it is night.
Water the plants in the day instead of so close to being night. Same as
foliar spraying.
Make sure your plants are stress free as possible and checking plants often can aid in getting rid of moldy bud before the spores spread onto other areas of the plant! Have a lot of air going around the plants for bad ventilation= sick plants and a breeding ground for spores!
Keep leaves away from soil making sure they do NOT touch the soil.
Keep cooler temps at night while plants are on there down time.
If you have gotten bud rot already the best thing to do is cut off the
bad buds discard them away from you’re grow and apply any of the
following: Neem oil, Neem2 which is a ready made solution!
Using high ph water for foliar spray prevents them from spreading as
well kills the mold. pythium is another good product to use! There are
many other chemicals and organics that work, but these are the most
popular and they work very very well!
Fungus
Fungus is another problem when you are in flowering, because they are susceptible to a fungus or bud rot. Growing conditions for fungus are best when temps are between 60 and 80 degrees and the humidity is high. The fungus is very destructive and spreads quickly. These kinds of fungus are air borne and can travel to other bud sites. If you already have been infected by them the best thing you can do is cut off and remove the infected area and then discard out of the grow area, then get a hold of some anti-fungal spray and apply.
Fungi can kill your crop quick, so invest in some SAFE fungicide and
spray down the plants as much as you can and as soon as you can. The
faster the safer.. If you have had problems with fungus before, do NOT
spray them you will contribute to the fungus becoming resistant to the
spray/chemicals you are using. Try to keep the humidity down to the
range fungus do not grow to well in. Keep a good amount of ventilation
around your grow, and if you have plants outside, always keep them
quarantined away you’re your indoor plants until you know they are safe.
Most fungicides are very nasty and eating them can be very dangerous so
its best to use something on them that is safe on plants that you can
eat., Safer makes a very safe product that can be found in most stores
and hydro shops. it contains only sulfur in solution. Here is a picture
of what bud rot looks like when it starts to form.
Control
To control to prevent fungus from forming there are a few things you
should do.
DO NOT foliar feed at night, tends to make humidity higher rather than when you water in the day the water has time to evaporate where at night will linger in the air.
Same goes for watering plants at night, wait till the morning or afternoon to water!
Keep a happy plant and will not become prone to infections. Checking plants often can aid in getting rid of any fungus that may attack other leaves and or bud!
Have a lot of air going around the plants for bad ventilation= sick plants and a breeding ground for spores!
Keep leaves away from soil making sure they do NOT touch the soil.
Keep cooler temps at night while plants are on there down time.
If you have already gotten some kind of fungus there are things you can
use: neem2, neem oil works wonders!! Potassium Bicarbonate, Baking soda
and for other chemical agents you can use Plant Shield, Serenade and
pythium! There are many other chemicals and organics that work but these
are the most popular and they work very very well!
BIG THANKS goes out to Bud63 for letting me use the pics!! :tup:

found this thought people could use it :)
Thanks for the info. I HATE SPIDER MITES!
If I were to put the garlic in the soil to keep the thrips away, would that cause the bud to taste like garlic?
i dont know but if it was between garlic or me loseing my harvest i think the garlic would win :) but id olny do it if there was a issue. and no i wouldn't think so, and if it did i wouldn't think it be that bad, if at all.
Alright, I was just curious because I see that I have an issue. I put garlic on it last night, hoping that it would solve the problem. I think I might go get some of that neem oil just to be safe. That wouldn't harm my plant would it, even if it is in flowering state?
neem oil works great you have to make sure tho you dont make your plants to oily, also what you can also do is get a comen lantern, and turn off evenything in your room and run it in your room sealed, make sure its a propane lantern, the carben manoxide can kill spider mites as well, but if you use the neem oil, and the latern, it should kill them off, then in a few days spary them down with pure water, to clean them off, and then rinse and repaet the lantern and this should help a ton, a few friends have used this and say it works great, just becarefull on oiling the plants to much and you should be fine.
I add a little bit of hand soap to a spray bottle filled with water and mist my plants 2-3 times a day until they're gone. It works everytime.
sabbgy:
I am kind of puzzled by your post. It would seem to me that you are stating that you have had the problem more than once. If it works (everytime), are they really gone to begin with? Or, are they hiding or rehatching. In either case I don't think that hand soap alone will ever end the problem for good for anybody. You need to address more than just the mites you can see. How much time elapses between infestation? The amount of time in between is usually a good indicator of a continuing infestation or a new one.
I have seen the 3 step cure 1> Monterry Spray, 2>Mosquito Dunks in the H20, and 3>tanle trap or gnat strips in the soil, work for five people I know. All five had success and have not had a problem since.
Personnaly I always have mosquito dunks in my water and I always start each plant with a new stcky trap. And I have never had a problem with any pest so far. It is much better to prevent than to try and cure.
. If you want to get rid of mites on the cheap I found a tablespoon of Pomalive dish soap or Safers Soap in 5 gallon bucket of water. Take the plant and dunk it in the water solution a few times. then shake the plant dry. I usually wrap the dirt,root ball with newspaper to prevent the eggs from falling into the dirt. You may have to wipe the underside of the leavesFinally, keep an eye on the underside with a magnafier glass to see if the mites are gone and staying gone. An easier method is pyeuerthium although how safe it is is a question, Preditor mites are safe,effective, and easy but pricy.
I've only ever had spider mites in my clone box. The peet pods are use for my cuttings I keep outside unprotected. So when I have gotten them it was within the first couple of days I've brought out new pods for new clones. Once I've killed them with the soapy water solution they don't come back. All the clones that got spider mites before rooting went on to live fruitful lives and the mites never came back or spread elsewhere in the garden.
What about using HotSpot Strips found at Lowe's or Home Depot. If you keep it up for about 8 hours and then take it down it has worked very successfully for our caregivers. Would love to hear your thoughts?
Use small amounts of floramite, make sure you're not overusing this you don't want the weed to be tainted with pesticide
We don't use floramite. You might want to read the rest of the posts regarding floramite. It is not approved for food items!
Please read my new blog "the safe way"
So, I've came to the conclusion, that neem oil, does not work well at getting rid of thrips. If you ever need to get rid of them, just use hand soap and water. Works perfect! I can't believe I went out and wasted my money on that crap and it didn't even work!


